i tried it a while back and i remember that it was a decent beer, but i can't remember exactly how it tastes.

googling gives me these recipes:



Amount Item Type % or IBU
10 lbs Briess 2 row malt (1.8 SRM) Grain 81.57 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 12.23 %
4.0 oz Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 2.04 %
4.0 oz Pale chocolate malt (3.0 SRM) Grain 2.04 %
2.1 oz Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 1.06 %
2.1 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 1.06 %
1.00 oz Centennial [9.40 %] (60 min) Hops 38.3 IBU
1.00 oz Pearle [8.00 %] (20 min) Hops 11.0 IBU
1.00 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs Pac-Man (Wyeast) [Starter 125 ml] Yeast-Ale



Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.057 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.010 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.005 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.61 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 0.65 %
Bitterness: 49.2 IBU Calories: 43 cal/pint
Est Color: 23.8 SRM Color: Color


Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 12.26 lb
Sparge Water: 5.86 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F TunTemperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Step Time Name Description Step Temp
75 min Mash In Add 15.33 qt of water at 161.4 F 150.0 F

Recipe 2:


7 3/4 # 2 Row
1/4 # Munich
6oz Chocolate Malt
2oz Black Roasted Barley
1 1/2 # Crystal 120L
60 min hops - 1/2 oz. Centennial 9.5% pellets, 1/2 oz. Perle (German) pellets
15 min hops - 1/2 oz. Centennial 9.5% pellets, 1/2 oz. Perle (German) pellets
5 min hops - 1/2 oz. Centennial 9.5% pellets

mash at 152F with 3.125 gal
sparge at 175F with 5 gal

I would try a bit of vienna with MO to get something close.

OK. This is what Rogue's website says:

Ruddy brown in color, a bittersweet balance of malt and hops with a light cream finish.


12 Ingredients:

Malts: Great Western 2-Row,
135-165, 95-115, and 70-80 Crystal; Chocolate, Black, Munich, and Carastan.

Hops: Sterling & Perle Hops.

Yeast & Water: Rogue's Pacman Yeast & Free Range Coastal Water.
Specs:

13º PLATO

54 IBU

73 AA

77º Lovibond

I don't know what some of that means. But here's what I am thinking. I don't necessarily need a clone. I just want another good porter.

7lbs Golden Promise
.5lbs Special B
.5lbs Crystal 120
.5lbs Crystal 60
1lbs Chocolate
.5lbs vienna
.5lbs toasted MO
.5lbs unmalted wheat

Maybe toast some to the golden promise as well.


I have no idea if that would be tasty. Its just what I see to be somewhat equivalent.

I am open to suggestions on adjustments. I could also add molasses if necessary.

I don't know what temp to mash at. I also don't know what OG to shoot for. I would change that recipe proportionally to get whatever gravity I need.

Oh and I also need more help on the hops as I don't have centennial or pearle.

Thanks
FLy

Ok. Thanks for all the help lake. I gotta get to bed so I can wake up in time to brew two tomorrow. Hopefully all my questions will be answered by then. Otherwise I'll just use my best judgement and see what happens.

use nugget and galena for the perle and cascade for the centenniel

Lakewood said:

you really should pick up some black patent for your arsenal, unless you are looking for the flavor components of special b.

I figured the special b would be something like that crystal 165 or whatever in their recipe. Does that grain bill look like it'll turn out tasty?

flyfisherwes said:

Lakewood said:

you really should pick up some black patent for your arsenal, unless you are looking for the flavor components of special b.

I figured the special b would be something like that crystal 165 or whatever in their recipe. Does that grain bill look like it'll turn out tasty?

It looks yummy.

flyfisherwes said:

Is that color gonna be right?

Its gonna be a bit light for lack of black patent. I estimate srm of about 41... which is very dark, but not black.

Lakewood said:

flyfisherwes said:

Is that color gonna be right?

Its gonna be a bit light for lack of black patent. I estimate srm of about 41... which is very dark, but not black.

Does the color make any difference besides just what can be seen with your eyes?

flyfisherwes said:

Here's how it looks in the excell spreadsheet.

Mocha Porter

OG 1.054
76%


Scaled Recipe
Percent Weight (g) Weight LBS
Total 100 5541 * 12.21517466
Golden Promise 70.0 3879 8.550622261
Chocolate 10.0 554 1.221517466
Special B 5.0 277 0.610758733
Crystal 120 5.0 277 0.610758733
Crystal 60 5.0 277 0.610758733
MO (Toasted) 5.0 277 0.610758733
Vienna 5.0 277 0.610758733
Unmalted Wheat 5.0 277 0.610758733
0.0 0 0



End of Boil Volume (lts): 23.94 *

Time Grams Ounces AA% IBU
Nugget 60 13.6 0.48 12.4 = 16.3
Cascade 60 13.6 0.48 6.6 = 8.7
Galena 60 13.6 0.48 13.2 = 17.3
Cascade 15 13.6 0.48 6.6 = 4.3
Nugget 15 6.6 0.23 12.4 = 3.9
Galena 15 6.6 0.23 13.2 = 4.2
Cascade 0.1 9.9 0.4 6.4 = 0.0


54.7 IBUs
End of Boil Volume 23.9
Start of Boil Volume 28.5
Water Required is... 32.0
Water Required (at mash temp) 32.6

Mash 152F 60min

US05 yeast



HOw does that hop bill look? see any other issues?

i might cut back on the late hops. i would shift to a 60 and 30 min addition, nothing later.

flyfisherwes said:

Its still pretty darn dark. About as dark brown as it can be and still distinguish it is brown.

yep. it's basically just "not black"

Lakewood said:

flyfisherwes said:

Its still pretty darn dark. About as dark brown as it can be and still distinguish it is brown.

yep. it's basically just "not black"

borat. lol.

I somehow didn't post my original question before i walked away. That was it though...

flyfisherwes said:

I messed something up. I don't know what at this point. But my OG was 1.080.... my target was 1.054.... I ended up with less wort than I expected so I guess I either had more evaporation than expected or didn't start with enough water. Should I top it off or leave it? Man that seems like a big difference though. I have exactly 5 gallons of wort in the fermenter. I'm confused as heck.

hmmm... you probably should post exactly what you did... cause that is a fuggin huge difference.