Mocha Porter Design
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    I want to design a beer something like rouges mocha porter. Please help. This is what I have and all I can use:


    HOP AA%
    columbus 12.8
    Magnum 11.6
    Cascade 6.6
    willamette 6
    Tettnanger 4
    Magnum 11.6
    cascade leaf 8.8
    crystal leaf 3.3

    Galena 13.2
    Nuggett 12.4
    Colombus 13.3
    Summit 15.5
    Warrior 16
    Willamette 4


    My malts:

    Two Row
    Marris Otter
    Crystal 60
    Crystal 120
    Vienna
    Aromatic
    Victory
    Unmalted Wheat
    Chocolate
    Flaked Rye
    Crystal 10
    Special B

    Thanks in advance.
    Wes
  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i tried it a while back and i remember that it was a decent beer, but i can't remember exactly how it tastes.

    googling gives me these recipes:



    Amount Item Type % or IBU
    10 lbs Briess 2 row malt (1.8 SRM) Grain 81.57 %
    1 lbs 8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 12.23 %
    4.0 oz Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 2.04 %
    4.0 oz Pale chocolate malt (3.0 SRM) Grain 2.04 %
    2.1 oz Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 1.06 %
    2.1 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 1.06 %
    1.00 oz Centennial [9.40 %] (60 min) Hops 38.3 IBU
    1.00 oz Pearle [8.00 %] (20 min) Hops 11.0 IBU
    1.00 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
    1 Pkgs Pac-Man (Wyeast) [Starter 125 ml] Yeast-Ale



    Beer Profile

    Est Original Gravity: 1.057 SG
    Measured Original Gravity: 1.010 SG
    Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.005 SG
    Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.61 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 0.65 %
    Bitterness: 49.2 IBU Calories: 43 cal/pint
    Est Color: 23.8 SRM Color: Color


    Mash Profile

    Mash Name: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 12.26 lb
    Sparge Water: 5.86 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
    Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F TunTemperature: 72.0 F
    Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

    Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Step Time Name Description Step Temp
    75 min Mash In Add 15.33 qt of water at 161.4 F 150.0 F

    Recipe 2:


    7 3/4 # 2 Row
    1/4 # Munich
    6oz Chocolate Malt
    2oz Black Roasted Barley
    1 1/2 # Crystal 120L
    60 min hops - 1/2 oz. Centennial 9.5% pellets, 1/2 oz. Perle (German) pellets
    15 min hops - 1/2 oz. Centennial 9.5% pellets, 1/2 oz. Perle (German) pellets
    5 min hops - 1/2 oz. Centennial 9.5% pellets

    mash at 152F with 3.125 gal
    sparge at 175F with 5 gal






    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    They list the Malts on rogues website. Those look similar. What can I get close to the Munich with?
  • ThymThym
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    I would try a bit of vienna with MO to get something close.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    Lakewood said:

    I would try a bit of vienna with MO to get something close.




    Ok. How about the pearle hops?
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    OK. This is what Rogue's website says:

    Ruddy brown in color, a bittersweet balance of malt and hops with a light cream finish.


    12 Ingredients:

    Malts: Great Western 2-Row,
    135-165, 95-115, and 70-80 Crystal; Chocolate, Black, Munich, and Carastan.

    Hops: Sterling & Perle Hops.

    Yeast & Water: Rogue's Pacman Yeast & Free Range Coastal Water.
    Specs:

    13º PLATO

    54 IBU

    73 AA

    77º Lovibond

    I don't know what some of that means. But here's what I am thinking. I don't necessarily need a clone. I just want another good porter.

    7lbs Golden Promise
    .5lbs Special B
    .5lbs Crystal 120
    .5lbs Crystal 60
    1lbs Chocolate
    .5lbs vienna
    .5lbs toasted MO
    .5lbs unmalted wheat

    Maybe toast some to the golden promise as well.


    I have no idea if that would be tasty. Its just what I see to be somewhat equivalent.

    I am open to suggestions on adjustments. I could also add molasses if necessary.

    I don't know what temp to mash at. I also don't know what OG to shoot for. I would change that recipe proportionally to get whatever gravity I need.

    Oh and I also need more help on the hops as I don't have centennial or pearle.

    Thanks
    FLy



  • ThymThym
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    your target OG is 1.052

    by converting the degrees plato to specific gravity using the following formula.

    {Plato/(258.6-([Plato/258.2]*227.1)}+1 = Specific gravity
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    Ok. Thanks for all the help lake. I gotta get to bed so I can wake up in time to brew two tomorrow. Hopefully all my questions will be answered by then. Otherwise I'll just use my best judgement and see what happens.
  • ThymThym
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    you really should pick up some black patent for your arsenal, unless you are looking for the flavor components of special b.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • ThymThym
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    use nugget and galena for the perle and cascade for the centenniel
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • ThymThym
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    btw your grain bill looks just about right on for the target gravity...
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    Lakewood said:

    you really should pick up some black patent for your arsenal, unless you are looking for the flavor components of special b.



    I figured the special b would be something like that crystal 165 or whatever in their recipe. Does that grain bill look like it'll turn out tasty?
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    and you are correct sir. I need about 10-15lbs of black patent.
  • ThymThym
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    flyfisherwes said:

    Lakewood said:

    you really should pick up some black patent for your arsenal, unless you are looking for the flavor components of special b.



    I figured the special b would be something like that crystal 165 or whatever in their recipe. Does that grain bill look like it'll turn out tasty?


    It looks yummy.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    Is that color gonna be right?
  • ThymThym
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    flyfisherwes said:

    Is that color gonna be right?



    Its gonna be a bit light for lack of black patent. I estimate srm of about 41... which is very dark, but not black.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    Here's how it looks in the excell spreadsheet.

    Mocha Porter

    OG 1.054
    76%


    Scaled Recipe
    Percent Weight (g) Weight LBS
    Total 100 5541 * 12.21517466
    Golden Promise 70.0 3879 8.550622261
    Chocolate 10.0 554 1.221517466
    Special B 5.0 277 0.610758733
    Crystal 120 5.0 277 0.610758733
    Crystal 60 5.0 277 0.610758733
    MO (Toasted) 5.0 277 0.610758733
    Vienna 5.0 277 0.610758733
    Unmalted Wheat 5.0 277 0.610758733
    0.0 0 0



    End of Boil Volume (lts): 23.94 *

    Time Grams Ounces AA% IBU
    Nugget 60 13.6 0.48 12.4 = 16.3
    Cascade 60 13.6 0.48 6.6 = 8.7
    Galena 60 13.6 0.48 13.2 = 17.3
    Cascade 15 13.6 0.48 6.6 = 4.3
    Nugget 15 6.6 0.23 12.4 = 3.9
    Galena 15 6.6 0.23 13.2 = 4.2
    Cascade 0.1 9.9 0.4 6.4 = 0.0


    54.7 IBUs
    End of Boil Volume 23.9
    Start of Boil Volume 28.5
    Water Required is... 32.0
    Water Required (at mash temp) 32.6

    Mash 152F 60min

    US05 yeast



    HOw does that hop bill look? see any other issues?
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    Lakewood said:

    flyfisherwes said:

    Is that color gonna be right?



    Its gonna be a bit light for lack of black patent. I estimate srm of about 41... which is very dark, but not black.


    Does the color make any difference besides just what can be seen with your eyes?

  • ThymThym
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    flyfisherwes said:

    Lakewood said:

    flyfisherwes said:

    Is that color gonna be right?



    Its gonna be a bit light for lack of black patent. I estimate srm of about 41... which is very dark, but not black.


    Does the color make any difference besides just what can be seen with your eyes?



    generally color is just a visual thing. but there is a relationship between taste and color -- the darker grains have flavors that dont exist in lighter grains.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • ThymThym
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    flyfisherwes said:

    Here's how it looks in the excell spreadsheet.

    Mocha Porter

    OG 1.054
    76%


    Scaled Recipe
    Percent Weight (g) Weight LBS
    Total 100 5541 * 12.21517466
    Golden Promise 70.0 3879 8.550622261
    Chocolate 10.0 554 1.221517466
    Special B 5.0 277 0.610758733
    Crystal 120 5.0 277 0.610758733
    Crystal 60 5.0 277 0.610758733
    MO (Toasted) 5.0 277 0.610758733
    Vienna 5.0 277 0.610758733
    Unmalted Wheat 5.0 277 0.610758733
    0.0 0 0



    End of Boil Volume (lts): 23.94 *

    Time Grams Ounces AA% IBU
    Nugget 60 13.6 0.48 12.4 = 16.3
    Cascade 60 13.6 0.48 6.6 = 8.7
    Galena 60 13.6 0.48 13.2 = 17.3
    Cascade 15 13.6 0.48 6.6 = 4.3
    Nugget 15 6.6 0.23 12.4 = 3.9
    Galena 15 6.6 0.23 13.2 = 4.2
    Cascade 0.1 9.9 0.4 6.4 = 0.0


    54.7 IBUs
    End of Boil Volume 23.9
    Start of Boil Volume 28.5
    Water Required is... 32.0
    Water Required (at mash temp) 32.6

    Mash 152F 60min

    US05 yeast



    HOw does that hop bill look? see any other issues?



    i might cut back on the late hops. i would shift to a 60 and 30 min addition, nothing later.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    Its still pretty darn dark. About as dark brown as it can be and still distinguish it is brown.
  • ThymThym
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    flyfisherwes said:

    Its still pretty darn dark. About as dark brown as it can be and still distinguish it is brown.



    yep. it's basically just "not black"
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    I messed something up. I don't know what at this point. But my OG was 1.080.... my target was 1.054.... I ended up with less wort than I expected so I guess I either had more evaporation than expected or didn't start with enough water. Should I top it off or leave it? Man that seems like a big difference though. I have exactly 5 gallons of wort in the fermenter. I'm confused as heck.
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    Lakewood said:

    flyfisherwes said:

    Its still pretty darn dark. About as dark brown as it can be and still distinguish it is brown.



    yep. it's basically just "not black"



    borat. lol.

    I somehow didn't post my original question before i walked away. That was it though...
  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    flyfisherwes said:

    I messed something up. I don't know what at this point. But my OG was 1.080.... my target was 1.054.... I ended up with less wort than I expected so I guess I either had more evaporation than expected or didn't start with enough water. Should I top it off or leave it? Man that seems like a big difference though. I have exactly 5 gallons of wort in the fermenter. I'm confused as heck.



    what was the target volume? that's a huge difference in gravities.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • ThymThym
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    flyfisherwes said:

    I messed something up. I don't know what at this point. But my OG was 1.080.... my target was 1.054.... I ended up with less wort than I expected so I guess I either had more evaporation than expected or didn't start with enough water. Should I top it off or leave it? Man that seems like a big difference though. I have exactly 5 gallons of wort in the fermenter. I'm confused as heck.



    hmmm... you probably should post exactly what you did... cause that is a fuggin huge difference.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
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